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Steering Committee Announcement


Good Morning congregation!

I’ve got good news, and good news, and that equals great news for Keith and us!

Our most favored senior minister has been trying to find a way to retire for several years. But because of his affection for the flock here, not wanting to appear to be abandoning you and me – his church family, and several unexpected turns in the life road over the last couple of years, he has delayed his formal retirement. Until now.

You may already know that at one time he and Jo were thinking they’d retire, pack up, and move to Florida to be near Todd – a Florida ‘feet up in the warm southern sunshine’ kind of plan. However, they seem to find Roanoke a comfortable home, and this church family a loving and secure place for their next phase in life’s journey.

So 2019 will find the steering committee – Del, Judy, Martha Foy, Wayne, Susan and me more actively steering us, guiding this little fishing boat across some new waters – I’m trying for a biblical metaphor here, though none of us has any walk-on-water experience.

And we’ll be soliciting your input as well. Input along three parallel tracks :

1.coming up with a list of potential guest speakers, and inviting these new voices for Sunday messages; this to complement Keith as he slows back to preaching only one Sunday a month,

2.recruiting an associate minister to at some point possibly take on the traditional role Keith has filled for the last 30 years,


3.examine our church family’s needs, wants, wishes, and spiritual character as we transition and transform, who we are in God / in Christ / in the Holy Spirit…

“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭ESV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

“And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭ESV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭ESV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

“Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭ESV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

…along our church family’s path. To try to determine the fruits and gifts of our congregation in a refreshed and more visible and discernible way than we may currently be aware. Keith pointed out last Sunday some of our folks and their particular projects of benevolence and works for and with the community within the immediate family and around our neighborhood.

Please give Keith and Jo a supportive and encouraging hug, not one of goodbye, but of a welcome and “we’ve got your back” encouragement for their transition. As Keith and I have discussed, and I know, retirement can be a real challenge!

There will be much work to do, much self-examination, much stepping back and looking at who we are and where we want to head, and we’re going to all need to be positive and supportive and prayerful. Please know that the Steering Committee is counting on everyone here, our whole church family, to pitch in, throw us your thoughts and ideas. A former member, who has moved away, recently gave us a thumbs up by saying, and I quote “Roanoke Church is the kind of church the world needs”. Almost made me tear up, then of course I immediately felt a pretty big weight of responsibility land on OUR shoulders.

Pray for Keith and Jo…
Pray for the Steering Committee…
Pray for our church family…

Pray with me… “Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from your presence, and take not your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of your salvation, and uphold me with a willing spirit.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭51:10-12‬ ‭ESV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

“Search me, O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts! And see if there be any grievous way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting!”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭139:23-24‬ ‭ESV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

Blessings to us all,
Mike Branch, for the Steering Committee


Some Christians want nothing to do with the Old Testament. (The Hebrew Bible) They say it was “nailed to the cross.” A misapplication of Col. 2:14. Others say it is still important because it was and always will be God’s word. But Paul says in Gal. 5:3 that demanding one part of the law be kept (circumcision) requires keeping it all.
When the “law” is mentioned, it usually means the Law of Moses contained in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, or generally the first five books of the Old Testament.
Orthodox Jews still “keep” those laws, with the exception of animal sacrifices. Reformed Jews (who gave them permission to reform the law?) have modified the law by retaining the spiritual and holy parts while dropping some of the “holiness” codes. For example, those which begin in, say, Leviticus 18. However, lets look at 19:19. “Do not mate different kinds of animals. (That’s how you get a mule.) Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven with two kinds of material.” The list in Leviticus is interesting and revealing.
There are reasons for all this, and my answer might not jive with others. I am not interested in the answer now, but rather the reason modern Jews have tossed so much of that sort of thing away. I haven’t researched the reasoning, but I’m sure it had nothing to do with their love of the law or of God. However, and if you can prove me wrong, please do so with facts, I think the modern Jew realized many of the things in the law were part of their survival in the surrounding culture and when that changed, these “laws” were obsolete.
Were they right in doing that, and by what authority did they do so? By what authority do we Christians pick and choose passages from the law of Moses and not use them all as Paul said we must?
I’ve said all of this to make this point: How much of the Bible including the New Testament, should we understand in it’s historical and cultural context? For example, if a beloved preacher or some other significant man was dying, would we advance the medicine used on King David when he was old and dying? In I King 1:ff it says, “When King David was old and well advanced in years, he could not keep warm, even when they put covers on him. So his servants said to him, (David?) ‘Let us look for a young virgin (an unmarried young woman) to attend the king and take care of him. She can lie beside him so that our lord king may keep warm.
“Then they searched throughout Israel and found Abishag, a Shunamite, and brought her to the king. The girl was very beautiful; she took care of the king and waited on him, but the king had no intimate relations with her.” The gaps are easily filled in as to why she had to be a beautiful virgin.
Was that appropriate for the time? Well, there were no law against it! Would that be an appropriate treatment for today? No, but that’s how they understood medicine illness and well being at the time I’m pretty sure even an orthodox Jew would not see that as kosher.
Her’s my point, and I know I’ve made it before: We must continually understand scripture in light of current wisdom and knowledge. I know there are people who believe the sick should be anointed with oil (by the elders) as it says in James. I also know that for some this has a special, even powerful meaning. But is it mandatory? Did it have a meaning then that it does not have now? What about foot washing? There are strong examples about it’s place and meaning in the Bible. Is it mandatory? What made much of Christendom decide it was based in custom? Can it have a current significance? Yes. But by what principle was it discarded as a requirement?
Are women required to wear a veil when in church, or as some say, “A second covering”? According to Paul, in I Cor. 11ff, the woman who prayed and prophesied had to wear a veil. That was the original meaning of covering; across the face and head. Her hair was to be long, whatever long was at the time, and a man’s hair was to be short, what ever short was for that time. By what authority was it decided that was based on customary understanding and not the law of God? Do some still demand it? Yes, but not most. Why?
Just as the eunuch, once rejected is accepted, the spirit of God requires that we do not leave our understanding of God trapped in historical understanding.

Announcements: Wayne Flora
Serve Communion: Lyn Jordan
Susan Jordan
Judy McWhorter
Garrett Williams
Usher: Holly Wagner
Communion Care: Williams
Singing: Scripture:
2-Karen Branch Susan Jordan
9-Alan Beach Holly Wagner
16-Del Bolin Mark McRoy
23-Scott Blessing Mike Branch
Communion: Nursery:
2-Alan Beach Alisa Flora
9-Abraham Sirgy Connie Crites
16-Scott Blessing Holly Wagner
23-Mike Branch Joanne Elder
If you cannot serve contact Erma Williams
2- Jack Thompson 7-Megan Downing
13-Alisa Flora 20- Dillon Hogan
20-Carson McRoy 25-Rhonda McRoy
27-Martha Foy 28-Jeff Bland
30-Cathie Martin
3-Jeff & Cathie Martin
23-Gary & Jan Overstreet

CONCERNS: Jo Wagner’s sister is at home. Jamie Cole, Joni Beach’s niece deals with hydrocephalus issues. Alan Beach’s sister-in law is having health problems, as are the parents of the Beach’s. Other family members dealing with aging are Wayne Flora and Del Bolin’s mother. Donte McCadden has CF. Teryn Gaynor’s parents also have health issues. Debbie and Ray Reiss’ son-in law (brain cancer) Wayne Phlegar, Deanna McRoy, Linda .Alsup and husband, Prentice, Bill Albert, Jim Hunter, Sheila Jansen and daughter, Amber Weaver. Marjorie Wilson, Melanie Gentry, Ray and Darnell Barns, Gil Richardson (ALS), Jim and Mary Smith and Tim Elder

The annual Christmas Eve Service will be on Monday evening at 6:00. More information in the next bulletin.

Those of you who attended the last Super Sunday meal could see how the improvements to the annex are coming. Even if you didn’t stay look in some time when the annex is open and see the improvements.

The Christmas tree will be up in the annex this week. Wednesday evening we will spend a little time decorating it.

Rather than having a separate party, we have been combing the annual Christmas Party with the Super Sunday meal in December. Erma has placed a sign-up sheet on the table in the foyer. More information in the next bulletin as to the menu and other items

Aside from family members who visit during the Thanksgiving holiday, we had visitors from Pottstown, Pa. Who were passing though and worshiped with us.

The Wednesday evening soup supper and Bible study is now back on track.


My favorite Bible teacher in college did something I’d never experienced before. He often gave tests using the compare and contrast method. Now, comparing and contrasting texts, especially those in which the “contrast” bordered on differences was new to me. Not only was it new, but it upset my general approach to the Bible, but I loved it.
My background with the Bible was pretty much “it said what it meant and meant what it said”, period. So to approach the Bible with a compare and contrast method was new and exciting to me.
On the other hand, it presents challenges. For example, compare and contrast among those who practice nonviolence and those who uphold the views of the NRA; the application of Matthew 5:38,39, “You have heard that it was said, ’Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person.”
You see, we read the same words, but we hear them differently. Of course, we were not there when they were spoken. We are unable to assess the words within their context. This leads us to understand and apply them to our present context and perceived reality.
Let’s take a test. It’s not compare and contrast, or even the dreaded essay type. Let’s make it multiple choice. I know true or false allow a 50% chance of guessing it right, but it’s my test. By the way, this is an open book test. I’ll tell you where the questions originate. We’ll start in Matthew 25:31ff.

1. In v. 32: Does “All the nations” mean :
a. All the Jews
b. All the Christians
c. Everyone on the earth
d. All of the above.

2. Also v.32: Are the sheep
a. Jews
b. Christians
c. The righteous from all nations
d. All of the above.

3. Are the goats
a. Jews
b. Christians
c. The unrighteous from all nations
d. All of the above.

4. Are the “hungry” and “thirsty,” v.35:
a. Jews
b. Christians
c. The hungry from all nations
d. All of the above.

5. Is the “stranger”
a. Jews
b. Christians
c. Anyone from all nations
d. All of the above.

6. Are those who need clothing
a. Jews
b. Christians
c. Any one
d. All of the above.

7. Are the “sick” v.36:
a. Jews
b. Christians
c. Those from all nations.
d. All of the above.

8. Are those in prison:
a. Jews
b. Christians who have been persecuted
c. Everyone
d. All of the above.

9. Who are the “least of these” v.45:
a. Jews
b. Christians
c. Anyone from all nations
d. All of the above.

10. In Luke 6:20, Are the “poor”
a. Those oppressed by the rich
b. The poor in spirit, i.e., Matt. 5:3
c. Those who have their treasure on heaven
d. All of the above.

11. When Jesus said to love one’s enemies. He meant:
a. Jewish enemies
b. Gentile enemies
c. Anyone who fits the label
d. All of the above.

12. When Jesus said if anyone tales your coat (cloak) give them your shirt (tunic) as well. Did he mean:
a. A fellow Jew
b. A fellow Christian
c. A poor person
d. Anyone.

13. Who is Jesus talking too in Luke 6: 20- 26:
a. Only his disciples
b. His disciples plus others
c. To everyone
d. All of the above.

14. When Paul wrote in Romans 2:14,15: “Indeed, when Gentiles who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them,” did he mean:
a. The ones Jesus mentioned in Matt.25
b. The ones Peter mentioned in Acts 10:34: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism, but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.”
c. All of the above
d. (I couldn’t help myself) Compare and contrast the above statements with John 14:6: “I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
The real test is how we apply our answers.


CONCERNS: Jo Wagner’s sister. Judy Powell is recovering at home. Jamie Cole, Joni Beach’s niece deals with continuing hydrocephalus issues. Alan Beach’s sister-in law, Tamela Beach has health issues. Also both of Joni and Alan’s parents. Wayne Flora ‘s mother, Martha. Del Bolin’s mother, Carrie. Remember the family of Dr. Christopher Mills, one of Del Bolin’s students who died suddenly. Donte McCadden, a young father with CF. Debbie and Ray Reiss’ son-in-law, David who is being treated for brain cancer. Teryn Gaynor’s mother and step dad; Wayne Phlegar is having more leg issues. Deanna McRoy; Debbie McRoy’s Linda Alsup and husband, Prentice; Bill Albert and Jim Hunter; Sheila Jansen and daughter, Amber Weaver; Marjorie Wilson; Melanie Gentry and family; Ray and Darnell Barns; Gil Richardson; Jim and Mary Smith and Tim Elder.

Today is the third Sunday of the month. On these Sunday’s we have someone or something different conduct the service. Today we will be learning about the writer of the songs we sing, as well as the motivation for the song itself . Susan Jordan, with help from others will do the readings and Del Bolin will lead the songs. Thanks Susan for doing the research.

Today is also Super Sunday. The fellowship meal will take place in the annex following the morning service. At the time of this printing on Thursday, it is cold and rainy. If it clears off enough, we will have a fire in the fireplace.
Also, the new fans are in place with additional lighting on each one. If you haven’t seen the annex since these additions, plan to stay and enjoy the ambience, the meal and good company.

Erma Williams has provided note cards for the Thanksgiving notes. If you haven’t taken one, do so because they will be read during the service today. They are on the foyer table.

Over the years we have canceled the Wednesday evening service before Thanksgiving because of travels and busy schedules. That will be true this coming Wednesday as well.

Among those who will be away is Martha and Bill Albert, along with Jim Hunter. They will be in Alabama.


The title comes from a well-know phrase, “Warts and all.” It is generally used to say that the truth and facts are being revealed. In other words the whole ugly truth and nothing but the ugly truth.
Its supposed origin comes from when Oliver Cromwell’s portrait was being painted by Sir Peter Lely. Cromwell, knowing the custom of painters making their subjects look better than they were, told Lely to “Paint me as I am, warts and all.” However, the evidence is that Cromwell never said that. Yet out of a made-up phrase we have a common-use statement. Question: Does the fact that Cromwell never said those words mean Lely never painted Cromwell’s portrait?
“Doctor Livingston, I presume.” Words often used in comic relief referring to the meeting of reporter Henry Stanley with the elusive Scottish missionary, Dr. David Livingston. It became the famous line from that meeting. However, the evidence is that those words were not spoken. Question: Because the words were factious, does that mean Stanley never met Livingston?
Admiral Farragut never said, “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!” He said, “Damn the torpedoes! Four Bells. Captain Drayton, go ahead. Jouett, full speed.”
Queen Victoria never said, “We are not amused.” Gilbert and Sullivan wrote that into the musical, HMS Pinafore.
James Cagney never said, “Mmm, you dirty rat” in the Movie White Heat.
Marie Antoinette never said, “Let them eat cake (brioche) during the French Revolution.
In none of his books about Sherlock Holmes, Arthur Connan Doyal never had Sherlock say, “Elementary, my dear Watson.”
Johnny Weissmuller never said, “Me Tarzan, you Jane.”
Captain Kirk never said, “Beam me up Scotty.” He said “Beam us up Scotty.”
Neither Eleanor Roosevelt, Anne Bolyn nor Marilyn Monroe said, Well-behaved women rarely make history”
It was David Hannum, who was suing P.T. Barnum for fraud, who said, “There’s a sucker born every minute”, not Barnum.
Nathan Hale did not say. “I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.” It was a supposed summation of his thoughts by his sister about his death.
It was Israel Putman who said the order was, “Don’t fire ‘til you see the white’s of their eyes”, not Andrew Jackson.
No one on Apollo 13 said, “Houston, we have a problem.”
Gandhi never said, “Be the change you wish to see in the world.”
And finally, Voltaire never said, “I disagree of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Two sources are given for that statement, both in comments which were said to sum up Voltaire’s thinking.
Now, having given you a jump-start in the next game of Trivial Pursuit, let me review and ask a fundamental question.
Did Cromwell’s not saying, “Paint me etc.,” mean the painting never took place?
Did Stanley not saying “Dr. Livingston…” mean they never met?
The fact that Farragut never said, “Damn the torpedoes …” mean the battle of Mobile Bay never took place?
Did misquoting Marie Antoinette, Queen Victoria and James Cagney, mean they were not real people in real situations?
Are the works of Arthur Connan Doyal, fiction though they are, tainted by a famous line never uttered?
Is the history of Nathan Hale suspect because it attributed to him something he never said?
The answer to all these situations is, of course, “No”.
Question: Why is it then that when critics read the history of the Jews, the Hebrew Bible (OT) if they find anything that doesn’t line up (a simple example is the different numbers in Kings and Chronicles) they decide the Bible isn’t reliable? This is also true when reading the life of Jesus in the Gospels.
Admittedly, most of this has been caused by Christians who feel that if one line doesn’t match the other, the Bible can’t be trusted. This has caused all sorts of biblical gymnastics to smooth out, defend and sanitize passages seen as problematic. Notably, that the “Song of Solomon” (Song of Songs) is turned into an allegory rather than a poem about the love of a man and a woman. That some in the Jewish community see it as an allegory for God’s love for Israel is fine, as long as the original meaning isn’t denied.
If any historical document or person has to be discredited because of misquotations or misplaced “facts”, no historical evidence could be trusted.
All study and research is based on comparing and contrasting the sources and reaching a conclusion as to what is relevant and what is not. It is the relevant that is the foundation for truth, even in the Bible.

Announcements: Judy McWhorter
Serve Communion: Connie Crites
Maggie Foy
Steve Gaynor
Holly Wagner
Usher: Jeff Bland
Communion Care: Susan Phlegar
Singing: Scripture:
4-Scott Blessing Martha Albert
11-Karen Branch Joanne Elder
18-Del Bolin Steve Gaynor
25-Scott Blessing Debbie McRoy
Communion: Nursery:
4-Abraham Sirgy Susan Jordan
11-Wayne Flora Alisa Flora
18-Scott Blessing Holly Wagner
25-Wayne Flora Susan Phlegar
If you cannot serve, call Erma Williams.

6-Jo Wagner 15-Leena Bolin
28-Tim Elder 29-Jeff Martin

CONCERNS: Jo Wagner’s sister is now at
home. Keep the following people in your prayers: Wayne Flora’s parents, Del Bolin’s mother, Teryn Gaynor’s mother, Joni and Alan Beach’s parents, Debbie and ray Reiss’s son-in-law, Deanna McRoy. Linda Alsup and husband, Prentice, Gary Overstreet, Bill Albert, Jim Hunter, Sheila Jansen and Daughter, Amber Weaver, Marjorie Wilson, Melanie Gentry and family, Wayne Phlegar, Jim and Mary Smith, Ray and Darnel Barns, Gil Richardson, Tim Elder and Leena Bolin’s friend dealing with stress issues.

Megan and James Downing are going to be parents! Which means Jo and Keith Wagner will be great-grandparents. The baby is due in April. According to former member, David Maharrey, using some research, looking at the sonogram, it’s going to be a girl. We’ll have to wait and see.
By the way David and Stacy are having a boy in December.

Remember the Wednesday evening Soup Supper and Bible Study is now meeting again on a regular basis.. The study of the Gospel of John continues

Mike Branch continues with the study of the book of Acts.

After being gone over a month, it is nice to see Vivian Dugan back among us.

Even though this bulletin has the date of November 4th, most of you receive it via Email, so the reminder to set your clocks forward before going to bed on Saturday might be helpful.

A few years ago we had the children write Thanksgiving notes to be read. Then the congregation got involved. Considering the sad events of the past few months, if you’d like to write such a note they will be read on Super Sunday before Thanksgiving.


As I look back, I’m not sure how I got here. I started out to become a Church of Christ preacher. I knew what Church of Christ preachers said and how they said it. Even before college I gained a reputation as a preacher, which convinced me even more that I should be one.
Then came collage. It was there, with the influence of men (and women) I began to be more and more interested in What the Bible taught, rather than what I had heard preachers preach.
It had it’s scary moments, especially when I realized there were parts of Bible I never heard taught or preached. Paul’s view of ethics was captivating. All I had heard was that we should never do anything that would cause someone to “stumble.” Which meant when someone complained about some issue with which they disagreed, like eating in the same building where worship took place, you yielded to their demands Where to eat was never an issue in the church I attended in Cincinnati as a child.
I soon learned as a young preacher, that the Bible had regional interpretations. When the folks in Cincinnati decided to go bowling after church, or scheduled a bowling party with any deacons and elders who wanted to go, all bowling alleys in Cincinnati served alcohol. There was usually a cocktail lounge nearby. No big deal. We went. We also played rummy, canasta and other “face card” games. No big deal. However, when I started to preach, I found regional, or should I say, sectional areas where bowling where any alcohol was sold, was off-limits to Christians, as was playing any face-card game. Rook was fine, it didn’t have the Devil’s face on the cards.
Tobacco was not preached against in areas where church members made much of their living from growing it. However, women wearing too much makeup, too much jewelry, and short hair. (Determined by inspiration to mean any hair shorter than the shoulders) was fair game. The hair applied to men as well. By the way, this was not just the CofC preachers who took the Bible to say things like that, lots of others did as well. This would indicate that such an understanding of scripture was not only regional, but cultural as well. What I mean by cultural ( a word not liked by a sizable number of preachers) is that upon examination we discover that the cultural period of history in which we live determines how we interpret scripture. I need not list examples to prove this. The way we used the Bible to support slavery, segregation and women is argument enough.
One verse branded on the brains of Christians, was and is, 1 Thess. 5:22 (KJV) “Abstain from every appearance of evil.”As I remember, most preachers said, “Abstain from the very appearance of evil.”
Again, there is no need for me to explain that verse, except to say it simply says, in modern English, “Stay away from all kinds of evil.” But even that is subject to interpretation. What appears to be evil to one person may not appear evil to another. Please keep in mind that Paul thinks Christians have enough sense to know what he is talking about. We are the ones who have to make the lists. He is not telling Christians to decide what has the appearance of evil and then hold everyone to it. I’ve mentioned before a man who would not drink root beer out of a brown bottle any place where he might be assumed to be drinking real beer. Did he want others to do he same? It was pretty evident that he though they should, for fear of the appearance of evil. Need I even need to mention how many times Jesus failed the “appearance” test.
The above are just some of the issues which have caused me to keep digging to understand the Bible in its own time and place in history. That is not to say that the moral and ethical teachings are limited by time and culture. The fundamental teachings in the Sermon on the Mount in both Matthew and Luke call us to a standard far beyond a general world view.
That being said, I think the Bible should be examined and studied from every angle. We should consider that the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) belonged to the Jews, and was interpreted by them, long before Jesus was born. Therefore, in the last few years I have been looking at how the Jewish teachers understood and understand the Hebrew Bible.
In some ways I think Christians have “Christianized” the “Old Testament”. I’m not talking about hunting down all the possible prophesies about Jesus. I’m talking about making the OT fit a more accepted understanding.
An easy example is when Christians talk about “biblical marriage” in defense of a one woman and one man union. If we want to use Adam and Eve, let’s face it, Adam didn’t have a choice. But Adam’s son Cain has a grandson who “takes” two wives. Abraham ‘s wife Sara is childless, so she tells him to take her Egyptian servant as a “wife”. (Gen. 16:3 NIV) We know how that worked out!
Later, Jacob married two sisters, and we know about the kings of Israel and their concubines and wives. There is no condemnation of polygamy. That’s hardly new news. However, there is a law in Deuteronomy 25:5 which instructs the brother of a deceased man who has no heirs, to marry the dead brother’s wife. No exception is provided if the surviving brother happens to already be married. “Christainizing” the text insists that the Levirate marriage be done only if the surviving brother is not married. In fact, little is said about the marital status of the Levirite. There was even a way to avoid doing it. (See the book of Ruth) But Levirate marriage was a very serious issue. Since polygamy was common, and Jacob had married two sisters, it would not be beyond the surviving brother to have two wives. That being said, the law Levirate marriage soon disappears in Judaism, which should mean even scripture is subject to time and culture. Keeping that in mind can help us find the real meaning of the Bible.

CONCERNS: Jo Wagner’s sister, Judy Powell is home but still not well. Martha Flora, Wayne’s mother is also having health problems. Teryn Gaynor’s mother (cancer) Former members, Ray and Debbie Reiss’ son-in-law, David is still being treated for brain cancer. Deanna McRoy. Linda Alsup, Debbie McRoy’s cousin and her husband,Prentice have health issues. Keep the parents of Joni and Alan Beach in prayer, as well as Carrie Bolin, Del’s mother. Also a friend of Leena Bolin who has stress issues. Sheila Jansen and daughter, Amber. Ray and Darnell Barnes, Gil Richardson, Jim and Mary Smith and Tim Elder. Remember those who are recovering from the storms .
On this third Sunday we are pleased to have Del Bolin’s brother, Doug, bring the sermon for today.

This is Super Sunday. If you stay for the fellowship meal you will be able to see some of the change we have made in the lighting. The old lights were getting dangerous due to some issue which kept them overheating and burning out. Since they were at the very top of the ceiling they required a longer ladder than we had.
More lighting will be installed, probably on the fans down the middle and along the sides to give more light for reading. Plan to stay and enjoy the room and the meal.

THANKSThanks to those who came out last Saturday to spruce up the place. Also to those who cooked at the Ronald McDonald House last Sunday evening.

We will be sending money to the Churches of Christ Disaster Relief Effort in Nashville, TN to aid in relief for those suffering from the two recent hurricanes which damaged Florida as well as Georgia and the Carolina’s.

This being the third Sunday, we will have two contributions. One for Health Talents ABC and the regular one for the work here.

We had visitors from Ohio with us last Sunday, which was good because several of our group was away.


My sister, Betty and her husband Kenneth, along with their three year old son, Timothy, left Cincinnati in 1957 for a new start in Mobile, Alabama. Why Alabama? They had become good friends with the minister of our church, Glenn Martin, and his wife, Dee. When Glenn took a church in Mobile, they decided that would be a place to relocate where they already knew someone.
They bought a little house on Ralston Rd, a street where it seemed each house outdid the others with beautiful crape myrtles in their yards.
In the early seventies they moved across the Mobile Bay to Fairhope, a beautiful little town on the bay, which over the years had served as a summer respite for those from Mobile and the surrounding area.
My parents moved to Mobile in 1965, and when we visited them after Betty moved to Fairhope, the Fairhope Pier became a favorite place to fish. Betty’s cottage was about three blocks from the bay park and pier. It was also an easy drive to Gulf Shores.
They became active with the Fairhope Church of Christ until discord took them to Spanish Fort, about 17 miles away. Betty would work at several jobs, among the as a LPN, though she had to stop when they found she was a carrier of TB, even though she had never had it. She and Tim went to work at Engels Shipyards in Pascagoula, Mississippi, a 75 mile one way trip each day. She was trained and worked as a pipe fitter. Her husband took several jobs, among them an insurance salesman.
After the shipyard became too difficult, and nearing retirement, she and Kenneth went to Newton, NC and worked in the textile industry as well as security guards. Upon reaching retirement age they returned to Fairhope. Kenneth would die a few years later from a heart attack.
In the mid eighties she took our mother to live with her after our father died. My parents had moved to where our brother lived in Greenville, SC. The storms and hurricanes began to bother them. Afer our mother died, Betty busied herself caring for an aged neighbor, as well as picking up older women who needed a ride to church. Her years with the Spanish Fort church were among her happiest.
As she aged and her health began to fail, she ended up in a nursing home a block or so from her house where our mother had died. It was not a good place for her, and at Christmas 2014 she came to live with us in Roanoke.
It was a hard adjustment, but she soon fit in and sent everyone a colored picture on their birthday, as well as any other special day she saw in the church directory. She colored to improve the shaking of her hands.
In late July, at 90, she started to fail and lingered until September 8.
As our daughter, Hope (who did the driving) and I arrived in Fairhope I was reminded again why she loved it so much. If you ever get a chance, visit it. The live oaks reach across the streets as if to be touching hands, with Spanish moss as the gift to be received. Crape myrtles, azaleas and other flowers compete for your attention. Quaint shops line the streets and the lights of Mobile can be seen at night from the pier.
As we left the cemetery, both Hope and I commented that we felt good that we could bring Miss Betty home. Keith

The Sunday morning after I had arrived home from Alabama on Saturday, the call came that Bill(y) Branch had died. Bill had entered the hospital only a few weeks before to be treated for a mass in his shoulder. At 90, like Betty, he was getting tired. Soon it became evident that he was slipping away and after a few days in Friendship Manor South, he went home and passed away, surrounded by his family, on September 16th.
The name Bill Branch and the Roanoke Church of Christ are bound together like the strands of a rope. Bill was a foundational part of this congregation before this building was built. It was his place, his spiritual home, even though his spirituality was far and beyond the walls of this building. There is hardly a benevolent work in Roanoke that does not have something of him in it, as his obituary stated.
As far as his personality, I never saw him as anything but enjoyable to be with and his wonderful chuckle. No Super Sunday will be the same without seeing him leave as soon as possible and return with almost enough chicken to feed all of us.
He loved being with people, and the celebration of his life held at the annex was exactly what he planned. Food, music, good friends and good memories shared by the people Billy touched.

(It is with great sadness that the following developed this past weekend)
While Judy and TJ were visiting with their son Perry and family in NC, Judy choked on some food and went into cardiac arrest. She was revived and taken to a hospital, but was not able to recover. With her family with her, as TJ said, “She is at Home with her Father.”
She was cremated and will be placed beside their stillborn child in Louisville, KY at Christmas, which was her favorite holiday.
A celebration of Judy’s life was held in the church annex on September 6.
On Sunday, Sept. 29, Judy was remembered by the congregation during the worship period as we shared memories of her.

All of this has hit us hard. Three deaths in about three weeks. However, as we have done in the past, we will lean on our faith in God, the resurrection and each other as those who have passed would want us to do. As Paul wrote, “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”
CONCERNS: Jo Wagner’s sister, Judy Powell is very seriously ill after surgery. Martha Flora, Wayne’s mother is having health issues. Teryn Gaynor’s mother, (cancer issues) Former members, Ray and Debbie Reiss’ son-in-law, David, is being treated for brain cancer. Deanna McRoy, Debbie McRoy’s cousin, Linda Alsup, is having health issues, and her husband, Prentice is recovering from cancer surgery. Keep both Joni and Alan Beach’s parents in prayer, as well as Del Bolin’s mother, Carrie. Also a friend of Leena’s who is having stress related issues. Remember Sheila Jansen and daughter, Amber Weaver, Marjorie Wilson, Melanie Gentry and family, Ray and Darnell Barnes, Gil Richardson, Jim and Mary Smith and Til Elder.

1-Mary Smith 4-Laura Schreiner 3-James and Megan Downing
4-Garrett Williams 14-Connie Crites 8-Mike and Karen Branch
15-Mary Willa Foy 20-Lyn Jordan 9-Scott and Bonnie Blessing
24-Teryn Gaynor 24-Susan Phlegar 19-Jeff and Sherry Bland
27-TJ Hall

For those of you receiving hard copies of the bulletin, you will notice a little “crowding” in this issue.
There was no “mid-month” issue printed due to the death of my sister, and my travels to Alabama to bury her, which took place during that week.
As you will read inside, as a congregation we have had recent moments of sorrow, from Betty’s death and then the following week, the death of Bill Branch, and then the sudden death of Judy Hall the week following.
It was good to see Ben Robertson with us last Sunday. He is still in Manassas, but would like to be back in this area. Say a prayer about that.
The annex lighting and air circulation is coming along well. The fans will be installed later, due to a size issue with the originals.
Several weeks before Betty Billings became ill, she asked if there was something she could do for the church. The new chandeliers in the annex was her gift.
Jonathan Edward Elder and Cara Lee Hoopes were married on October 4, in a ceremony at Fincastle. We wish them many years of happiness.
We will resume our Wednesday evening service on October 10. WE will continue with the study of John’s Gospel.
The tree that fell during Florence has been cut up and the wood given away. However, there are some limbs etc. which need to be cleaned up.


In the last bulletin article I stumbled upon something that caused me to ask some questions about how the Law of Moses was delivered and applied. That question had to do with the daughters of Zelophehad coming to Moses with the request that their father’s inheritance be given to them since their father died having no sons.
What I noticed was that since the question had to be asked, the apparent answer up to that point was that daughters did not directly inherit, but that it was given to some other male relative. This seems to be a new situation brought up by five independent women.
By the time this happens in Numbers 27, the Law had been signed, sealed and delivered and Joshua had been anointed the new leader of Israel. The question has to do with how flexible the Law was when it came to new situations? If God gave it in full content, why was there a need for Moses to, as it says in v.5 “So Moses brought their case before the Lord”? I also find it rather delightful that the Lord says the women are right, they deserved the inheritance.
Now, I could ask if God forgot that law when the Law was being given, but it seems to me to say something more important. It seems to say the Law was not beyond being understood in a broader way than it might seem. That the law was flexible in that each new situation could be “taken before the Lord” for a resolution. Something similar happens in Leviticus 24: 11,12. The son of an Egyptian father and an Israelite mother blasphemed”the Name” during a fight and they inquired about the will of the Lord. He was stoned. In Numbers 9:8 the question came up concerning the Passover and some who were unclean because they came in contact with a dead body: Could they observe Passover? It says the Lord told Moses they could. Again in Numbers 15:34 it is about a man gathering wood on the Sabbath. Even though the Sabbath law had been given on Sinai it says in v. 34 the man was taken into “custody because it was not clear what should be done to him.” The Lord, through Moses condemned him to death.
Note that the Sabbath law had been given long before this. It said in the nutshell that no work could be done by any person or animal on the Sabbath. However, what “work” meant was not clearly defined. Therefore, as situations would arise, decisions about possible violations would have to be brought “before the Lord” for resolution. What that means seems to be, Moses praying for guidance.
As we know, those who would interpret the Sabbath (the Talmud) would eventually come up with 39 categories with 39 detailed instructions for each category. We’re not told how God felt about that.
We also know that view of the Sabbath was a problem for Jesus. Since the Law didn’t specify in detail what “work” was, it became a burden that the religious rulers imposed and the Jews twisted to suit their needs.
Let me add one other consideration. The second Commandment said there could be no “images” of any living thing. The NIV does a good job here by using “idol” instead of image.
How was “idol” or “craven image”defined? On the mercy seat there were several images of animal-like creatures. Were these “craven” images? No. Why? Because they were understood to represent the power and majesty of God, not God, or a (false) god. If we add to that the bronze snake Moses held up in the wilderness (which seems a little borderline), we see the reason the Jews would shy away from any craven image. The snake later became an object of worship way up in the time of Hezekiah. That resistence to “images” would carry over to Jesus’ day and even today.
What’s my point? All through their history the Jewish rabbis have read the Law and the prophets and then did their best to interpret and apply those commandments. Did they come to a unanimous agreement? No. And we need to keep in mind the Hebrew scriptures belonged to them and they were serious about getting it right. So if they don’t interpret it they way we would, we need to respect that they were (are) as sincere as we are.
So just as they took scripture and applied and interpreted it according to situations as they arose, so should we. Of course, we might say Moses had some kind of direct line to God, but we would have to say the same thing about the prophets who often wrote, “And the word of the Lord said to…”
Perhaps this flexibility is what Paul was thinking about when he said, “He (God) has made us confident as ministers of a new covenant–not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” II Cor. 3:6. I would suggest reading that in context, or all of chapter 3.

SEPTEMBER BIRTHDAYS: 13-Joanne Elder 25- Mark McRoy 25-Judy McWhorter 29: AC Fuller

CONCERNS: Betty Billings is in hospice care in room 106, Raleigh Court HRC. BillBranch remains in RMH while they prepare him for rehab at Friendship Manner on Starkey Road. Gary Overstreet is now at home. Jo Wagner’s sister, Judy Powell; Ray and Debbie Reiss’ son-in-law is still waiting on a biopsy of his remaining brain cancer. Del Bolin’s mother, Carrie, is dealing with aging issues. Deanna McRoy; Joni and Alan Beach’s parents; Teryn Gaynor’s mother has resumed cancer treatment. Remember Leena Bolin’s friend who is dealing with family stress. Sheila Jansen and daughter, Amber Weaver; Marjorie Weaver; Melanie Gentry and family; Wayne Phlegar; Ray and Darnel Barns; Gil Richardson; Jim and Mary Smith and Tim Elder

At the time of this writing, the weather and everything else looks good for the Labor Day Weekend Bar-B-Que. Thanks to everyone who helped.

We have an estimate for redoing the lighting in the annex and as soon as possible, the work will start.

Please remember to lock all doors in the building and annex when you leave. They have been found unlocked recently.

Feeding America is once again having a peanut butter drive. Peanut butter is a good source of nutrition and tastes good too. Place the jars on the table across from
back staircase or on the table in the foyer. The drive is through August, but they say they can use peanut butter all the time.

The Dale Ridge congregation is having Ladies Day on Saturday, September 15. The guest speaker is Angela Tanksley from Knoxville, TN. More information can be found on the table in the foyer.

VISITORS While the Bolin’s others may be away this weekend, we had Alan Beach’s brother and sister-law with us last Sunday.

The Wednesday evening Bible study is in the Gospel of John. On Sunday mornings the study is from the book of Acts.


While looking for something in what was once Wilma Cullum’s desk, I saw a folder flat on the bottom of the large middle drawer. In it I found a bulletin article by Mike Brown from 1995 and what seems to be part of a bulletin introducing the Elders. As to the date, Jenni Cullum was 8, Alan Hawkins was 7, and Melanie Brown was 3. Any other Elders were on the missing pages.
What caught my eye was part of an article which concluded with this: “Nowhere does the Bible teach that women are to be kept in a subservient role and treated like second-class citizens of the Kingdom of God. Certainly stereotyping and dehumanization of women, and treating them as mere sex objects are attributes that must be rejected. Male and female are one in Christ (Gal.3:28). Both are of equal worth and dignity to the Creator in whose image they were made. And the man-woman relationship will begin to be what God wants it to be only when each can recognize the others’ worth, live in mutual love and submission being aware of their mutual dependence, and grant to each other full personhood. “ Roger Coffman
In 1987 the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood said, the proper role of a woman in marriage is “willing submission” to her husband. Men and women are supposed to be different; and one difference is that the men should lead and the women follow much in the same way that Jesus led his flock and his flock followed. “Sin inclines women to resist limitations on their roles.” So let’s talk about Biblical women
It is often stated that the Bible was written about men for men. All the big names are men, Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, etc.. But there is also Ruth and Esther. Stand alone books. The Ten Commandments put mothers and fathers on equal footing. Lev. 19:3 says, “Mothers and fathers are to be revered”
In Numbers 27 there is a refutation of a common idea about Jewish women and inheritance. Five daughter’s of Zelophehad (he had no sons) came to Moses and the priest and said, “Why should our father’s name disappear from his clan because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s relatives.”
Before we get to the answer, the question implies that up until that time the answer to that question was clearly: No. Why else would Moses have to bring it “before the Lord”? Verse 8-11 sets a new precedent. Granted it is not complete equality with men, but neither is it an exclusion of women.
In the story of Samson his mother’s name is never mentioned. His father is Manoah, and his wife is childless. An angel appears to the wife and tells her she will have a son and instructs her how to raise him. She tells her husband and he prays to God to give him the information firsthand. So much for trusting your wife!
The man (angel) appears again to the wife while she is in the field. (Take that Manoah!) She runs to get Manoah and he follows her back to the field. He asks the angel if he’s really the one who talked to his wife. When he gets his assurance he asks how to raise the boy. (The wife has already told him!) Notice how it says (vs. 13) “Your wife must do all I have told her.”
Manoah invites he angel to stay for supper but he refuses and tells him to offer a sacrifice instead. The angel ascended in the flame of the sacrifice. Manoah now recognizes he has been in the presence of an angel of the Lord. “We are doomed to die! We have seen God!” His wife said, (“Dummy) if the Lord was going to kill us why would he have accepted the burnt offering and told us all he did!” In the story Manoah is a numbskull. The wife is the hero. She is entrusted with the upbringing of Samson. And while she has no name, the meaning may be that a name had nothing to do with ones worth.
Regardless of assumptions concerning the value and mental agility of women, the Bible has several places where the women is smarter and wiser than a man. Deborah, a married woman, leads Israel. (Judges 4:4) In her story is Jael, who kills an enemy commander named Sisera while he hides in her tent.
In David’s story, Abigail gets her foot-in-mouth husband, Nabal out of trouble as much as she can, until he is killed.
In contrast to that, Lev 27 seems to place less value on females than males. Men twenty to sixty are valued at 50 shekels, women 10. Boys younger than five but older than one month are valued at 5 shekels, girls 3. After age sixty, men are worth 15 shekels and women 10. Er’s a question” Why aren’t children under one month worth anything? In fact, they are not counted in the census in Num. 3:14-15.
As to the different values of men and women may be based on the fact that men can do heavier physical work than a woman. A twenty-to-sixty-year-old woman was worth 30 shekels, twice the value of a sixty year old man.
On the other hand, the length of purification rituals between men and women are sexist. Also, in Num. 30:1-5 a man must keep his vow. However, if a daughter makes a vow the father doesn’t like, he can appose it and she will be released. And one would assume that if the father did not hear of the vow, she would have to keep it.
So, what about the NT? Is the CBMW right? They have scripture to back up their claims. Or do they? On the surface it seems so. But those who have studied and dug deeply into the background of the Greco-Roman world to which most of the NT epistles were written, say such scriptures must be understood within the social and cultural environment of that time. A good example would be the NT view of slavery. That is not a view that the insightful Christian holds today. Therefore, why the need to hold views on marriage from the same time frame different than ours? After all, Biblical marriage allowed polygamy.
CONCERNS: Betty Billings is in Raleigh Court HRC, room 106. She is receiving hospice care. Gary Overstreet is in Springtree HRC, but hopes to be home soon. Jo Wagner’s sister, Judy Powell is having serious health issues Keep the following in your prayers: Deanna McRoy, Teryn Gaynor’s mother and step-father. Leena Bolin’s friend who is struggling with stress. Ray and Debbie Reiss’ son-in-law. The parents of Joni and Alan Beach, Del Bolin’s mother, Sheila Jansen and daughter, Amber Weaver. Marjorie Wilson, Melanie Gentry, Wayne Phlegar, Ray and Darnel Barns, Gil Richardson, Jamie Cole, Jim and Mary Smith and Tim Elder

We were saddened to learn of the death of Susan Phlegar’s sister-in law. Susan went to Texas for her funeral.

Today is Super Sunday. The fellowship meal will be served in the annex following the morning service. Please stay.

If there is a need the steering committee will meet in the library after the meal.

The Dale Ridge congregation is having a Ladies Day on Saturday, September 15 which includes breakfast and
lunch. Among the speakers is Angela Tanksley from Knoxville, TN.
A flyer is on the table in the foyer.

A sign-up sheet for the Bar-B-Que is on the foyer table. It will be on Saturday, September 1. Moore details later.

Today’s service has been arraigned by Wayne Flora with Alan Beach leading the singing.

Thanks to those who cooked at the Ronald McDonald House and those who picked up the Panera bread.

The Sunday morning class is studying the book of Acts. On Wednesday evening the study is from the gospel of John.


The mind isn’t changed by someone else. The mind is changed by a willingness to be changed. A changed mind receives, sorts and sifts by using the wisdom, facts and knowledge at hand and then retains and discards that which does not fall into those (and perhaps even instinctual ) categories.
If I sound like I’m an expert on the subject, I’m not. However, as someone who deals with both the Old Testament (Hebrew) and the New Testament (Christian) Bible, I’m always struck by how the Bible is understood by those who read it.
I don’t know why I never encased the Bible in a steel vault, never to be taken apart and examined. I was, and am, always curious to examine a new idea about the Bible. Do I swallow everything which comes down the track? No. I see way too much of that from those who listen to and watch preachers as if everything they say is right from the mouth of God. (As if God had a mouth.)
I remember in a religion class, the teacher, Pat Harrell, said the passage in Matt. 19:24 (also in Mark and Luke) about the camel going through the eye of a needle could also mean a rope going through the eye of a needle. All I’d ever heard was about a (fictional) gate used to sneak into the city which was so small a camel could barely get through. Wow, I was impressed! It seems the two Greek words are very close in spelling and in being copied over and over it was possible a scribe may not have been able to tell what the scribe before him had written and did the best he could with it. Or, as some people, who rather insist it was “camel” say, it was hyperbole. The reason given is that if it isn’t camel, the inspiration (truth) of the scripture becomes suspect. My mind doesn’t work that way. Rope makes more sense to me, but camel is equally a hard thing to thread a needle with.
What I’ve noticed is that when such “changes” in long-held understandings are offered, there is an instant closed-mindedness expressed by a good number who refuse to accept any possible change.
Here’s another example. When Paul preached at Troas a young man named Eutychus, fell asleep and fell from a third floor window. He survived. Now, what I found interesting, as told by someone who also liked to look beyond the surface, that “Eutychus” means “fortunate.” Now, was that his name, or was that what he was called? It could be both, but to some the very thought that it may be more of a definition, rather than his name, is offensive. Remember, there are no upper case letters in Greek.
How about the story of young David killing the giant Goliath? Was David at a disadvantage when he went out to fight with only a slingshot? It makes a great story. Would learning something about “slingers” be too offensive? Joel Baden, Old Testament teacher at Yale, and writer Malcomb Gladwell, looking at the story of David and Goliath, says David was not at the disadvantage in the fight with Goliath that is traditionally depicted. David, as young as he was, was a “slinger.” A “slinger” was a person expert in using the sling as a weapon. Such people throughout history have been known to be able to hit a target at over a hundred yards. At 38 yards a stone could hit traveling at about 37 yards per second.
In a battle with a lumbering nine- foot tall man weighed down with armor, with a sword, which to use, he would have to get within striking distance, a slinger would have about as much advantage as a 45 caliber bullet against a knife. Slingers, like archers, could kill from a distance. However, an archer would be seen as an archer, and defended as such. The element of a bag of rocks and a sling gives an advantage of surprise.
Does that destroy the story of David and Goliath? I’m sure there are some people who will not entertain the possibility that the “slinger” idea can be true, even though it has historical president. Why? Because when it comes to the Bible and not just the Bible, the mind refuses to accept anything new.
Why are such examples worth thinking about? Because resistance to such changes in thinking also penetrate deeper issues.
Slavery was justified for centuries based on Biblical reading. Rev. Ebenezer W. Warren in a 1864 pro-slavery book, said it was against scripture to oppose slavery because the Bible said slaves should obey their masters just as children should obey their parents.
The same has been true when it comes to gender equality. This is still an ongoing issue. Those who used scripture to subjugate women have had to yield, even though they are not open about it. In my younger days a woman’s place was in the home, as it seemed to be for all time. However, in war-time things changed. Women worked outside the home. Again as inflation hit. One blue-collar salary was not enough. Preachers who had held the stay-at home-mom view found that their income from preaching did not meet the family needs, especially in formal education. So they eased up on that.
The view of divorce and remarriage changed because of a deeper investigation of scripture, at least for some. Adultery, is recognized as not just sexual, but also a breaking of the covenant vows of marriage, just as Israel was adulteress when it broke the covenant with God. Much of that was with another “love” idols.
It was inevitable that this would lead to a second look at the Bible and the recognition of the equality of women in all aspects of the church as have we and others, but still a minority in our churches.
There are other hard issues where scripture, along with current science, medicine and culture need to be examined.
When I’m gone I don’t want to be remembered as someone who shut the doors of the kingdom of God against those Jesus would welcome. I’d rather God tell me I opened them too wide, than not enough.

CONCERNS: Former members Debbie and Ray Reiss’s son-in-law has had a portion of a large tumor removed from his brain. Tests are being done to determine a course of action. Deanna McRoy, her type of cancer is prone to return. Richard Foy is doing better. Keep the parents of the Beach’s and Del Bolin’s mother and Teryn Gaynor’s parents in prayer. Leena Bolin’s friend is still dealing with stress related issues. Sheila Jansen and daughter, Amber Weaver. Amber is totally paralyzed. Marjorie Wilson, Melanie Gentry and family. Wayne Phlegar, Ray and Darnel Barns, Gil Richardson, Jamie Cole, Jim and Mary Smith and Tim Elder.
Today is Super Sunday. After the morning service we will enjoy our monthly fellowship dinner in the annex. Please stay and enjoy this time together.

Since this is the third Sunday of the month, the service will be conducted by Susan Jordan. Thank you Susan for sharing with us today. Her theme is “Then Sings My Soul.”

The steering committee will meet in the library following the Super Sunday meal to continue talking about the plan to upgrade the annex lighting and acoustics.

While we have had some of our folks away, we have been blessed to have visitors from Alabama, Georgia, Texas and Washington DC with us this month

In 1977, the governor of West Virginia, Jay Rockefeller, was warned of an impending blizzard coming from the west. He canceled businesses, government and schools and told everyone to go home and be prepared.
That day the sky was a strange beautiful blue. An eerie calm ensued. Everyone got ready for the “big one.” As I remember, not one flake of snow fell in most of the state. You can read about it on the internet.
Wednesday, a severe storm was pounding Smith Mt. Lake. Martha Albert was not able to get out. Storms were in most counties around us and we were told we’d all get some rain. Over half of the Wednesday crowd was not coming. So the service was canceled. Guess what? Not a drop of rain fell in Roanoke! O well.


Whenever I hear a politician quote scripture I cringe. They are out of their element. I would say there should be a law against it, but that would eliminate the fault revealed in such use of scripture. I would add to that list a good number of preachers.
Why? Because there two main reasons to quote scripture.
One is that the person has arrived at a conclusion (about just about anything) and wants to make it beyond being challenged. Just throw in a scripture and it’s untouchable.
The other use of scripture is to lay it out for examination, discussion and reflection. I have to admit Jesus did both, well, at least once. In Matt. 15:7 (also Mk.7) Jesus called some Pharisees and teachers of the law “hypocrites” and quoted from Isaiah to back it up.
My research tells me that Jesus quoted the OT (scripture) about 77-84 times. Only one time (maybe a couple more) did he use scripture to prove he was right. Of course, there are the “you shall not” passages spoken when he was tempted after his baptism. As far as I can tell by reading the list, the other times he used the OT (scripture) to cause people to examine who and what they thought about him or God, and what God had said for them to do. Splitting hairs? Maybe, but here’s my point.
If we get anything from the temptation story of Jesus in the wilderness, we get that any devil can quote scripture.
However, that doesn’t stop people from believing that quoting scripture or to site scripture somehow proves their point of view. I was once highly criticized by a guy who said I didn’t site any scripture in an article I’d written. Well, I couldn’t find any scripture about making snowmen and women. Just kidding. I don’t feel the need to use scripture to prove what I say is infallible. When I speak or write about the Bible, I want to express what I think I understand about it based on other teachings in scripture or other comments and explanations I believe are in harmony with scripture. I am well aware that there are varied opinions and views about the meaning of scriptures. The debate over the meaning of scripture is as old as scripture itself. Rabbi’s debated the meaning and the interpretation of the Law of Moses. Their conclusions are found in such works as the Mishnah and the Talmud. In them you will find varied explanations of Scripture.
Opposing views can make for good dialog and deeper understanding. In many cases it is about as significant as how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. However, in other cases it deals with issues which determine how people are to be viewed and treated. Does Romans 13 say that all government is ordained by God and the laws of such government must be obeyed by everyone? Or does it say the government is “God’s servant to do you good.” One view says blind obedience to all government is what is required. The other says when the government does what is “good” (v.4) for all its citizens it is of God.
How do we decide such dilemmas in scripture and even where scripture is not clear, or silent?
I’m going to quote some scripture for your consideration. I don’t have room for all of it, but I would encourage you to read I Cor. 2:10-16. Here’s a sampling: v.11″For who among men knows the thoughts who a man except the man’s spirit within him” V.12. “We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us” V. 14. “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” You will note that Paul never talks about the interpretation of scripture here. It is about understanding the Spirit of God as it guides our decisions.
Add to that one of my favorite passages for consideration, found first in Jeremiah 31:33 and in the New Testament in Hebrews 10:16. It is the promise of the new covenant. “This is the covenant that I will make with them after that time says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts and will write them on their minds.”
As I understand those passages, spiritual understanding comes from the Spirit of God, written on the mind and hearts of the believer. It is the Spirit in the person’s mind and heart that applies scripture. It is also that Spirit which applies God’s Spirit in situations where there is no scripture or clear agreement of scripture.
That means I have to do my best to know God through the Spirit of Christ and to understand enough to show that Spirit in all that I say and do.

7-Kathy Sirgy 8-Larry Foy 9-Nathan Flora 13-Samuel Blessing 16-Zona Fisher 19- Jim Hunter 21-Brock McRoy 25-Oliver Hogan 26-John Bolin
2-Jake & AC Fuller 4-Wayne & Susan Phlegar 13-Jim & Mary Smith

CONCERNS: Judy Hall is recovering from her illness and has been able to travel a little, as well as being at church. Debbie McRoy’s sister-in-law’s tests have come back negative for cancer. Debbie also has a cousin with health problems. Debbie’s daughter-in-law, Deanna, is in recovery from cancer. Del Bolin’s mother is at home, but dealing with aging problems. Leena Bolin’s friend’s father, diagnosed with cancer, has died, which adds to her other stress
related problems. Lilly, the young CF patient who had a double lung transplant is now in rehab at UVA Med. Center. Richard Foy (Chrone’s disease). Joni and Alan Beach’s parents; Teryn Gaynor’s mother and step-father; Sheila Jansen and daughter, Amber Weaver; Melanie Gentry and family; Wayne Phlegar; Ray and Darnel Barns; Gil Richardson (ALS) Jamie Cole; Jim and Mary Smith; Tim Elder and Steve Fox, who is making wonderful progress.

Among the things discussed in the steering committee was the improved lighting and acoustics in the annex. A few ideas were explored and when they can be laid out, the congregation will help decide which lighting plan is most desirable.

There was a little scare last Wednesday evening. One of the ceiling tiles fell onto the floor due to the weight of some water which had collected in the insulation on top of it. At first it was thought the heavy rains had caused it and that the roof would have to be replaced. However, the problem was the drain for the air conditioners had stopped up and the catch pan had overflowed. Everything is good now. The roof is good for a little while longer.

Thanks to Lyn Jordan for cleaning up the weeds etc. on Carlton at the top of our property. That area looks so much better since Roger Fisher cleaned it before he died.

Because we are in the Summer season and many of us will be away, the service roster has some changes with some folks who usually only serve a week now serving all month. As always, if you are unable to be here, someone will take your place. Without knowing who will or will not be here all the slots were filled in and can be changed at any time.
Last Sunday we had several visitors. Among them were Wendy (Hall) Davis and her son, from Texas. Susan And Michael Smith from Alabama, and Susan Kelly.